some of the tax increases that go along with obama health care tax increases will dramatically hurt the economy so i help they take a stand and are not fooled into an idea that the public will give them more backing next time. that is far far-fetched. one side cannot put up legitimate things immediately and the other site putting up i.o.u. >>neil: if you think any deal is better than no deal, think again, to charles' point, he says markets are good at selling off on the shams when they do. what do you make of the possibility that we could look at something that is very like what we saw last year, the trigger being not spending cuts this time but tax hikes, will it make a difference? >> it will be a disaster. here is what will happen. they push off the spending cuts until next year, when they start talking about it next year they will say push it off until after the election. then we are talking about another year where they don't do anything and the storms will get nervous, the financial markets will be nervous and that could be good if the markets started silling off to send washington